Mariella C.: I don't think I can always be with my husband. Urs C.: No, we can't always be in the flat together either. She is sometimes knitting for hours and sits in there. Then I have to get some exercise. Then I go out once and do something and I always have something to do. Interviewer: Yes, that's nice. So if you have fun together and separately, that's perfect, isn't it? Mariella C.: Yes. Urs C.: Yes. Interviewer: To have the two things. Mariella C.: It has to be. Interviewer: Exactly. Mariella C.: Otherwise you upset each other. Urs C.: Yes. Interviewer: Yes. Mariella C.: With time. Urs C.: Too long together, always concentrating on each other, I don't want that. Interviewer: Yes, I understand. Urs C.: I have my freedom, she has her freedom and [...] at dinner we are together. We walk a little bit every day, a few 100 metres together, go up a little hill nearby, ride our bikes up to our daughter, to K [place]. And so we also have our things together. But otherwise we have separate rooms. She has a room because she is a bit restless at night, gets up three, four, five times and then I want to have my peace. In the hotel, of course, we are always together again. Then I have my earplugs. Interviewer: So for sleeping? Urs C.: Close myself off a bit. So I can sleep. I: So you sleep separately because you can sleep better that way? Urs C.: Exactly. Yes. Yes, yes, exactly. Interviewer: So sleeping well is something important. Mariella C.: Important, yes. Urs C.: But we never really argue with each other. There are always a few discussions, but we don't argue. Interviewer: I can see that. Mariella C.: Yes, not any more. Urs C.: Not any more, yes, exactly. Mariella C.: You have to say. Urs C.: The illness, it brings us even closer together, right? Yes. Mariella C.: Yes, it's not worth it, so for me it's not [to argue] anymore. Urs C.: No. Mariella C.: Arguing. Urs C.: No, she's not quarrelsome. Interviewer: That's good. Urs C.: I have it very good with my wife then, yes.